Comments on: Bendtner nearly knocks Portugal out while Terry lives in a world of his own http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2009/09/06/bendtner-nearly-knocks-portugal-out-while-terry-lives-in-a-world-of-his-own/ Arsenal News and Views - An Arsenal Blog Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:28:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: mikeB http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2009/09/06/bendtner-nearly-knocks-portugal-out-while-terry-lives-in-a-world-of-his-own/#comment-30995 mikeB Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:05:11 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=879#comment-30995 Couldn't agree more; which is what Wenger spoke of when he talked of opening dangerous doors. When UEFA levied the charge they opened the appeals process to every mistake and dodgy decision; from incorrect throw-ins to broken legs. Impossible to police, impossible to judge, impossible to sanction... nothing to do with whether a dive is a dive or an oscar performance; all about whether the law is enforceable. I don't happen to think Eduardo dived, but that's irrelevant; point is it has to be the referee's decision, and his alone; once you start re-visiting decisions already given you open the floodgates to administrated anarchy; and not only that; I've supported England for over forty years and last night I found myself hoping he'd send Rooney off. It's devisive and just plain wrong! Couldn’t agree more; which is what Wenger spoke of when he talked of opening dangerous doors. When UEFA levied the charge they opened the appeals process to every mistake and dodgy decision; from incorrect throw-ins to broken legs.
Impossible to police, impossible to judge, impossible to sanction… nothing to do with whether a dive is a dive or an oscar performance; all about whether the law is enforceable.
I don’t happen to think Eduardo dived, but that’s irrelevant; point is it has to be the referee’s decision, and his alone; once you start re-visiting decisions already given you open the floodgates to administrated anarchy; and not only that; I’ve supported England for over forty years and last night I found myself hoping he’d send Rooney off. It’s devisive and just plain wrong!

]]> By: Pete http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2009/09/06/bendtner-nearly-knocks-portugal-out-while-terry-lives-in-a-world-of-his-own/#comment-30994 Pete Sun, 06 Sep 2009 15:08:30 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=879#comment-30994 Yes, you're right, he appealed for the penalty, but you're still missing the point of what I'm trying to say. Players appeal for fouls that aren't ten times a match. It isn't nice, but we've never been up in arms about it before, it has always been down to the referee to judge. If a player actually throws himself to the ground and appeals, that is worse than appealing hopefully for something you know you are unlikely to get. Technically, it is deceiving the referee if you claim that a throw in is yours, when it plainly isn't. I just think there's a danger that we are allowing the defensiveness that we feel after the Eduardo punishment to cloud our judgement of everything else, and make us cry foul at incidents we barely turned an eye to before. OH! You're my new favorite blogger fyi Yes, you’re right, he appealed for the penalty, but you’re still missing the point of what I’m trying to say.

Players appeal for fouls that aren’t ten times a match. It isn’t nice, but we’ve never been up in arms about it before, it has always been down to the referee to judge. If a player actually throws himself to the ground and appeals, that is worse than appealing hopefully for something you know you are unlikely to get.

Technically, it is deceiving the referee if you claim that a throw in is yours, when it plainly isn’t.

I just think there’s a danger that we are allowing the defensiveness that we feel after the Eduardo punishment to cloud our judgement of everything else, and make us cry foul at incidents we barely turned an eye to before.
OH! You’re my new favorite blogger fyi

]]> By: Pete http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2009/09/06/bendtner-nearly-knocks-portugal-out-while-terry-lives-in-a-world-of-his-own/#comment-30992 Pete Sun, 06 Sep 2009 12:24:16 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=879#comment-30992 Yes, you're right, he appealed for the penalty, but you're still missing the point of what I'm trying to say. Players appeal for fouls that aren't ten times a match. It isn't nice, but we've never been up in arms about it before, it has always been down to the referee to judge. If a player actually throws himself to the ground and appeals, that is worse than appealing hopefully for something you know you are unlikely to get. Technically, it is deceiving the referee if you claim that a throw in is yours, when it plainly isn't. I just think there's a danger that we are allowing the defensiveness that we feel after the Eduardo punishment to cloud our judgement of everything else, and make us cry foul at incidents we barely turned an eye to before. Yes, you’re right, he appealed for the penalty, but you’re still missing the point of what I’m trying to say.

Players appeal for fouls that aren’t ten times a match. It isn’t nice, but we’ve never been up in arms about it before, it has always been down to the referee to judge. If a player actually throws himself to the ground and appeals, that is worse than appealing hopefully for something you know you are unlikely to get.

Technically, it is deceiving the referee if you claim that a throw in is yours, when it plainly isn’t.

I just think there’s a danger that we are allowing the defensiveness that we feel after the Eduardo punishment to cloud our judgement of everything else, and make us cry foul at incidents we barely turned an eye to before.

]]> By: bugo http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2009/09/06/bendtner-nearly-knocks-portugal-out-while-terry-lives-in-a-world-of-his-own/#comment-30991 bugo Sun, 06 Sep 2009 11:38:26 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=879#comment-30991 fuck ur english just like terry,blinded,racists,simple,he didnt dive but he cheated the officials ban him. fuck ur english just like terry,blinded,racists,simple,he didnt dive but he cheated the officials ban him.

]]> By: mikeB http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2009/09/06/bendtner-nearly-knocks-portugal-out-while-terry-lives-in-a-world-of-his-own/#comment-30990 mikeB Sun, 06 Sep 2009 10:12:59 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=879#comment-30990 Make that last one FIFA/UEFA... Semantics again... Make that last one FIFA/UEFA… Semantics again…

]]> By: mikeB http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2009/09/06/bendtner-nearly-knocks-portugal-out-while-terry-lives-in-a-world-of-his-own/#comment-30989 mikeB Sun, 06 Sep 2009 10:10:04 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=879#comment-30989 I don't want to get too heavily into semantics here, but most are missing the point. The Eduardo charge was deceiving the referee. The moment Rooney sat on the deck and held his arms out he attempted to deceive the referee. The moment he allowed the penalty to be taken and didn't advise the referee of his mistake he deceived the referee. Open and shut case; according to FIFA ; absolute offence. I don’t want to get too heavily into semantics here, but most are missing the point. The Eduardo charge was deceiving the referee. The moment Rooney sat on the deck and held his arms out he attempted to deceive the referee. The moment he allowed the penalty to be taken and didn’t advise the referee of his mistake he deceived the referee. Open and shut case; according to FIFA ; absolute offence.

]]> By: Pete http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2009/09/06/bendtner-nearly-knocks-portugal-out-while-terry-lives-in-a-world-of-his-own/#comment-30988 Pete Sun, 06 Sep 2009 09:46:05 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=879#comment-30988 Folks, it wasn't a dive - there was contact, both players were tugging at each other. There are much more clear cut examples of dives week in week out. No, Rooney didn't help himself by appealing for a penalty, but it still wasn't a dive. It was a tangle. Alan, I agree on the shirt pull - it is supposed to be a mandatory yellow card, after all, but referees seemed to have forgotten that. Folks, it wasn’t a dive – there was contact, both players were tugging at each other. There are much more clear cut examples of dives week in week out.

No, Rooney didn’t help himself by appealing for a penalty, but it still wasn’t a dive. It was a tangle.

Alan, I agree on the shirt pull – it is supposed to be a mandatory yellow card, after all, but referees seemed to have forgotten that.

]]> By: Alan http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2009/09/06/bendtner-nearly-knocks-portugal-out-while-terry-lives-in-a-world-of-his-own/#comment-30987 Alan Sun, 06 Sep 2009 09:11:32 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=879#comment-30987 Can no-one else see that the defender had a hand full of Rooney's shirt? Certainly none of the match analysists noticed this blatant fact. This is what the ref saw, so this is why he gave the penalty. Obviously he missed Ronney pulling a shirt even more, and then missed him lashing out. However, I don't have any sympathy with the Slovenian defender for conceeding the penalty, as he grabbed Rooney's shirt. Which is a foul. People do it all the time, but it should be a foul all the time (and a booking, because holding is cheating, far worse than a mistimed tackle). I do have sympathy for him for the ref missing the blatant kick that injured him and that should have been in the least a booking. I know diving's the hot topic, but I feel shirt pulling is up there as a blight on the game. It is cheating. Every shirt pull should be punished by a free kick (and a booking). Sure, if every shirt pull in the penalty area was given there would be loads of penalties, but that's not an excuse not to give them. If they get given more, the pulling will stop. And if two people pull one anothers shirts (like last night), they are both fouling one another, and the ref should give a free kick to whoever had there shirt pulled first. Although probably not in the rule if he can't decide who did it first I would book them both and start the game with a competitive drop ball (remember them - the Macedonians clearly don't). Can no-one else see that the defender had a hand full of Rooney’s shirt? Certainly none of the match analysists noticed this blatant fact. This is what the ref saw, so this is why he gave the penalty. Obviously he missed Ronney pulling a shirt even more, and then missed him lashing out. However, I don’t have any sympathy with the Slovenian defender for conceeding the penalty, as he grabbed Rooney’s shirt. Which is a foul. People do it all the time, but it should be a foul all the time (and a booking, because holding is cheating, far worse than a mistimed tackle). I do have sympathy for him for the ref missing the blatant kick that injured him and that should have been in the least a booking.

I know diving’s the hot topic, but I feel shirt pulling is up there as a blight on the game. It is cheating. Every shirt pull should be punished by a free kick (and a booking). Sure, if every shirt pull in the penalty area was given there would be loads of penalties, but that’s not an excuse not to give them. If they get given more, the pulling will stop. And if two people pull one anothers shirts (like last night), they are both fouling one another, and the ref should give a free kick to whoever had there shirt pulled first. Although probably not in the rule if he can’t decide who did it first I would book them both and start the game with a competitive drop ball (remember them – the Macedonians clearly don’t).

]]> By: JOhn Terry http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2009/09/06/bendtner-nearly-knocks-portugal-out-while-terry-lives-in-a-world-of-his-own/#comment-30986 JOhn Terry Sun, 06 Sep 2009 08:53:32 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=879#comment-30986 i agree, I am a hypocritical cheating cnut and so is my balding pal rooney. We are both, cheating, diving cnut-bags i agree, I am a hypocritical cheating cnut and so is my balding pal rooney. We are both, cheating, diving cnut-bags

]]> By: ol http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2009/09/06/bendtner-nearly-knocks-portugal-out-while-terry-lives-in-a-world-of-his-own/#comment-30985 ol Sun, 06 Sep 2009 06:13:21 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=879#comment-30985 its all inthe english mentallity. i saw rooney tackle and almost break a defender's ankle yesterday and instead of a booking he earned a pen, at the world cup against portugal HE STAMPED AND DANCED ON CARVALHO'S GROIN, GOT SENT OFF FOR THAT, and you englishmen had a simple defence for that, RONALDO WINKED.thats the lamest and most annoying statement i have ever heard in football. up to now i know most of you still believe he was sent off "BECAUSE RONALDO WINKED". "AND MARTIN TAYLOR IS NOT THAT TYPE OF PLAYER. AND KEVIN DAVIES, NICKY BUTT, JOEY BARTON ARE PHYSICAL WHILE MASCHERANO IS A DIRTY PLAYER. AND EDUARDO who has had only one dive in his career is A CHEAT, WHILE GERRAD IS 'NOTORIOUSLY LIGHT ON HIS FEET' ......." its all inthe english mentallity. i saw rooney tackle and almost break a defender’s ankle yesterday and instead of a booking he earned a pen, at the world cup against portugal HE STAMPED AND DANCED ON CARVALHO’S GROIN, GOT SENT OFF FOR THAT, and you englishmen had a simple defence for that, RONALDO WINKED.thats the lamest and most annoying statement i have ever heard in football. up to now i know most of you still believe he was sent off “BECAUSE RONALDO WINKED”. “AND MARTIN TAYLOR IS NOT THAT TYPE OF PLAYER. AND KEVIN DAVIES, NICKY BUTT, JOEY BARTON ARE PHYSICAL WHILE MASCHERANO IS A DIRTY PLAYER. AND EDUARDO who has had only one dive in his career is A CHEAT, WHILE GERRAD IS ‘NOTORIOUSLY LIGHT ON HIS FEET’ …….”

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