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	<title>Comments on: Wolves 1-4 Arsenal: Scoring freely even when we&#8217;re not playing well</title>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dennis Wescott, sounds like you&#039;re asking a question that you already know the answer to. Still, I&#039;m happy to accept what is probably the truth.

It is generally accepted that Henry Norris, who was chairman of Arsenal at the time, was the man who influenced the FA to promote us ahead of Wolves and Barnsley (and also ahead of Spurs, who were relegated from the First Division that season).

No-one really knows what happened, but it is important to note that these particular promotions were not done on table positions - the First Division was expanding from 20 to 22 teams, which meant (in addition to the two up two down system that promoted Derby and Preston), two further clubs would be rewarded.

Chelsea (who came second bottom of the First) and Arsenal were picked, and the official line was that both clubs had richer histories and had contributed more to the game. I&#039;m not going to debate whether that&#039;s true or not.

Were it done on merit, I suppose one less relegation would&#039;ve happened, plus one more promotion, so Chelsea and Barnsley would be in the First (not Wolves, in any case). But this was an election, not a promotion, so table positions were not the be all and end all. It is similar to whenever the Scottish leagues expand - there is an election there.

Of course, it is highly likely that Norris bribed certain people to vote for Arsenal, as we did comfortably win the election. If I remember my history correctly, Norris was later convicted of financial irregularities regarding something else, so it wouldn&#039;t surprise me.

One thing to note - that isn&#039;t the 1919 table - that&#039;s the table from the last league played before the war (1914-5). We were elected after the war, five years later (one of the reasons they didn&#039;t purely use results from so long before).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dennis Wescott, sounds like you&#8217;re asking a question that you already know the answer to. Still, I&#8217;m happy to accept what is probably the truth.</p>
<p>It is generally accepted that Henry Norris, who was chairman of Arsenal at the time, was the man who influenced the FA to promote us ahead of Wolves and Barnsley (and also ahead of Spurs, who were relegated from the First Division that season).</p>
<p>No-one really knows what happened, but it is important to note that these particular promotions were not done on table positions &#8211; the First Division was expanding from 20 to 22 teams, which meant (in addition to the two up two down system that promoted Derby and Preston), two further clubs would be rewarded.</p>
<p>Chelsea (who came second bottom of the First) and Arsenal were picked, and the official line was that both clubs had richer histories and had contributed more to the game. I&#8217;m not going to debate whether that&#8217;s true or not.</p>
<p>Were it done on merit, I suppose one less relegation would&#8217;ve happened, plus one more promotion, so Chelsea and Barnsley would be in the First (not Wolves, in any case). But this was an election, not a promotion, so table positions were not the be all and end all. It is similar to whenever the Scottish leagues expand &#8211; there is an election there.</p>
<p>Of course, it is highly likely that Norris bribed certain people to vote for Arsenal, as we did comfortably win the election. If I remember my history correctly, Norris was later convicted of financial irregularities regarding something else, so it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me.</p>
<p>One thing to note &#8211; that isn&#8217;t the 1919 table &#8211; that&#8217;s the table from the last league played before the war (1914-5). We were elected after the war, five years later (one of the reasons they didn&#8217;t purely use results from so long before).</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>johnwolf, I thought your comment was simply a rant of an angry fan until you lost all credibility with the borderline racist &#039;immigrant&#039; comment.

Here&#039;s a suggestion - instead of coming on here and getting unnecessarily aggressive, why don&#039;t you enjoy that fact that your side are back in the top flight, playing decent football, and were the better team for half an hour of our game.

Surely, that would be a more productive and positive use of your time?

I always want the newly promoted sides to succeed, and would love Wolves to have a decent season, but fans like you make me question that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnwolf, I thought your comment was simply a rant of an angry fan until you lost all credibility with the borderline racist &#8216;immigrant&#8217; comment.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a suggestion &#8211; instead of coming on here and getting unnecessarily aggressive, why don&#8217;t you enjoy that fact that your side are back in the top flight, playing decent football, and were the better team for half an hour of our game.</p>
<p>Surely, that would be a more productive and positive use of your time?</p>
<p>I always want the newly promoted sides to succeed, and would love Wolves to have a decent season, but fans like you make me question that.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>john wolf you have terrible logic. sunderland might have scored more against you but they have 8 less points after 1 game more than arsenal. if you think chelsea or utd will win the league, fine, but it seems odd that you&#039;re bragging that a newly promoted team can score 5 against you and a top team can only score 4. rather than slating an arsenal which had something like 7 players injured and still scored 4 playing in only second gear, you should be more worried about how your team shipped goals so easily. we also had chances to make it more at the start of the second half, so &#039;what ifs&#039; don&#039;t count for shit. 

good luck to wolves, they had a good go at it when most other teams are too scared to attack. but john you certainly aren&#039;t representing wolves in a way that makes you look like anything other than an idiot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>john wolf you have terrible logic. sunderland might have scored more against you but they have 8 less points after 1 game more than arsenal. if you think chelsea or utd will win the league, fine, but it seems odd that you&#8217;re bragging that a newly promoted team can score 5 against you and a top team can only score 4. rather than slating an arsenal which had something like 7 players injured and still scored 4 playing in only second gear, you should be more worried about how your team shipped goals so easily. we also had chances to make it more at the start of the second half, so &#8216;what ifs&#8217; don&#8217;t count for shit. </p>
<p>good luck to wolves, they had a good go at it when most other teams are too scared to attack. but john you certainly aren&#8217;t representing wolves in a way that makes you look like anything other than an idiot.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Wescott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis Wescott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep you outplayed us and deserved to win but can somebody explain to the this season?  We finished above you but you were promoted?

This is the 1919 season. It was contested by 20 teams, and Derby County won the championship.

[change] League Standings
Pos Club P W D L GF GA Pts Note 
1 Derby County 38 23 7 8 71 33 53 Promoted 
2 Preston North End 38 20 10 8 61 42 50 Promoted 
3 Barnsley 38 22 3 13 51 51 47 
4 Wolverhampton Wanderers 38 19 7 12 77 52 45 
5 Arsenal 38 19 5 14 69 41 43 Promoted</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep you outplayed us and deserved to win but can somebody explain to the this season?  We finished above you but you were promoted?</p>
<p>This is the 1919 season. It was contested by 20 teams, and Derby County won the championship.</p>
<p>[change] League Standings<br />
Pos Club P W D L GF GA Pts Note<br />
1 Derby County 38 23 7 8 71 33 53 Promoted<br />
2 Preston North End 38 20 10 8 61 42 50 Promoted<br />
3 Barnsley 38 22 3 13 51 51 47<br />
4 Wolverhampton Wanderers 38 19 7 12 77 52 45<br />
5 Arsenal 38 19 5 14 69 41 43 Promoted</p>
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		<title>By: johnwolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 18:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You ain&#039;t going to win fuck all,Chelsea or Manure to win title, you won&#039;t have 2 goals given you plus a ref who clearly favours the top teams-your number 9 - you know the cheating little bastard who dives at every little touch (I thought the message read &quot;I am an illegal immigrant&quot;) and who should have been booked for diving then got a second yellow card for over celebrating in front of the north bank, pity the lads in the North Bank couldn&#039;t have got to him now that would have been worth the money,Apart from that you were the best team we have played this season, but that ain&#039;t hard when we haven&#039;t played the top 3 teams yet in those above + Liverpool -sour grapes-you bet-because &quot;if&quot; we had taken our chances in the first 20 minutes then things could have been a lot different, sunderland put 5 up us! you couldn&#039;t! thats why you ain&#039;t going to win SFA because you let teams off the hook.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You ain&#8217;t going to win fuck all,Chelsea or Manure to win title, you won&#8217;t have 2 goals given you plus a ref who clearly favours the top teams-your number 9 &#8211; you know the cheating little bastard who dives at every little touch (I thought the message read &#8220;I am an illegal immigrant&#8221;) and who should have been booked for diving then got a second yellow card for over celebrating in front of the north bank, pity the lads in the North Bank couldn&#8217;t have got to him now that would have been worth the money,Apart from that you were the best team we have played this season, but that ain&#8217;t hard when we haven&#8217;t played the top 3 teams yet in those above + Liverpool -sour grapes-you bet-because &#8220;if&#8221; we had taken our chances in the first 20 minutes then things could have been a lot different, sunderland put 5 up us! you couldn&#8217;t! thats why you ain&#8217;t going to win SFA because you let teams off the hook.</p>
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		<title>By: Cujo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cujo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 15:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everybody is making a mountain out of a mole-hill about the goals we&#039;ve conceded. In the premier league we&#039;ve conceded 14 goals, but then again manUre have conceded 12. I agree with Wenger&#039;s comments about the goals against not being a problem. It clearly isnt if you evaluate the situation fairly. Arsenal &#039;till the end!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everybody is making a mountain out of a mole-hill about the goals we&#8217;ve conceded. In the premier league we&#8217;ve conceded 14 goals, but then again manUre have conceded 12. I agree with Wenger&#8217;s comments about the goals against not being a problem. It clearly isnt if you evaluate the situation fairly. Arsenal &#8217;till the end!</p>
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