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	<title>Comments on: Arsenal 1-3 United: Effort and endeavour there, but sadly also naivety</title>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No it isn&#039;t. I can&#039;t see how you can say management have thrown in the towel. Wenger looked furious after the match, is that throwing in the towel?

There&#039;s a big difference between a team playing badly, and everyone giving up. What I saw on the pitch was a refusal to stop playing - the last half an hour was our best. I know the game was lost by then, but if the players had given up, we wouldn&#039;t have created anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No it isn&#8217;t. I can&#8217;t see how you can say management have thrown in the towel. Wenger looked furious after the match, is that throwing in the towel?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a big difference between a team playing badly, and everyone giving up. What I saw on the pitch was a refusal to stop playing &#8211; the last half an hour was our best. I know the game was lost by then, but if the players had given up, we wouldn&#8217;t have created anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:14:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete, just open your eyes mate, it&#039;s just in front of you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, just open your eyes mate, it&#8217;s just in front of you.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, how on earth has management thrown in the towel? That is a crazy thing to say. Who exactly in &#039;management&#039; has done this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, how on earth has management thrown in the towel? That is a crazy thing to say. Who exactly in &#8216;management&#8217; has done this?</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The club&#039;s management has thrown in the towel as evidenced by yet another shocking display that can only lead a reasonable person to conclude we&#039;re not good enough, yet the support keeps showing up anyway to watch this tragic facade.  The support is more sincere, honest and true, management has failed us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The club&#8217;s management has thrown in the towel as evidenced by yet another shocking display that can only lead a reasonable person to conclude we&#8217;re not good enough, yet the support keeps showing up anyway to watch this tragic facade.  The support is more sincere, honest and true, management has failed us.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 09:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is quite a contrast of opinions here, isn&#039;t there? As an optimist, I do find it faintly amusing that:

a) We judge the character of a title winning side by how well they bounce back from a defeat
b) We insist that our players must not let a defeat hang over them, yet
c) The minute we lose a match, half the &#039;support&#039; throws in the towel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is quite a contrast of opinions here, isn&#8217;t there? As an optimist, I do find it faintly amusing that:</p>
<p>a) We judge the character of a title winning side by how well they bounce back from a defeat<br />
b) We insist that our players must not let a defeat hang over them, yet<br />
c) The minute we lose a match, half the &#8217;support&#8217; throws in the towel.</p>
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		<title>By: musher</title>
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		<dc:creator>musher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 04:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a reminder, Denilson also lack of desire and hunger when he was playing against Stoke, he NEVER tried to pace their winger and led to their second goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a reminder, Denilson also lack of desire and hunger when he was playing against Stoke, he NEVER tried to pace their winger and led to their second goal.</p>
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		<title>By: Robespiere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robespiere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Tactical naive/poor&#039; what does that mean?. We turned to a 4-3-3 this year, a system that was considered naive, till Barca implemented it, modified, to great effect, demolishing Manu,and subduing the Blues.the difference is that we do not have the personal to really execute it well. We are a passing team, but NOT a great passing team ,sorry, fact, Barca controls games first of all by controlling middle third, we simply do not have the ability to do that regularly.Barca perfected the art of pressing, hurrying the opposition in their own half into mistakes and regaining possession right there before a counter develops. We almost never do that. incredibly. Barca also sends often a CD up (pujol OR pique),but when a CD goes up there is always cover of the other one+left back +DM.you rarely see Busquet or Toure desperately forced to score goals.If offensive speedy Keita plays (out Diaby, say) there is always extra cover. Of course you need that brave strong keeper that Wenger ludicrously thinks is redundant. and most of all you need a target man. not for nothing Ibra came instead of Eto&#039;. the feeling was that a pivot, strong and technical at the same time, is the foil for the hobbits to play off and around.Who is ours?. Fabregas tries, forced, to be Xavi and Iniesta in one. he has no partner in midfield.Idealy it should be Ramsey , but he not at that level yet, I wonder why Nasri is not tried there more often. In anycase for all practical purposes with Denilson who has no role or particular qualities we play with 10 men, and weakened Midfield. It is all very flawed application of a system  arrogantly and foolishly pursued. It may work against the minnows, sometimes barely, but not against the big guns,who always punish us in the same way. Wenger for all his impressive genius,is a very stubborn man.HE is admired as talent digger, but is he all the way?, not really, and how much can you get on the cheap, for a while we thought he really has no money, but that is evidently not true. There is a willfulness of conviction verging on Hybris. no other words to describe the desperate state he leads this club &#039;Footbalistically&quot; even if not financially...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Tactical naive/poor&#8217; what does that mean?. We turned to a 4-3-3 this year, a system that was considered naive, till Barca implemented it, modified, to great effect, demolishing Manu,and subduing the Blues.the difference is that we do not have the personal to really execute it well. We are a passing team, but NOT a great passing team ,sorry, fact, Barca controls games first of all by controlling middle third, we simply do not have the ability to do that regularly.Barca perfected the art of pressing, hurrying the opposition in their own half into mistakes and regaining possession right there before a counter develops. We almost never do that. incredibly. Barca also sends often a CD up (pujol OR pique),but when a CD goes up there is always cover of the other one+left back +DM.you rarely see Busquet or Toure desperately forced to score goals.If offensive speedy Keita plays (out Diaby, say) there is always extra cover. Of course you need that brave strong keeper that Wenger ludicrously thinks is redundant. and most of all you need a target man. not for nothing Ibra came instead of Eto&#8217;. the feeling was that a pivot, strong and technical at the same time, is the foil for the hobbits to play off and around.Who is ours?. Fabregas tries, forced, to be Xavi and Iniesta in one. he has no partner in midfield.Idealy it should be Ramsey , but he not at that level yet, I wonder why Nasri is not tried there more often. In anycase for all practical purposes with Denilson who has no role or particular qualities we play with 10 men, and weakened Midfield. It is all very flawed application of a system  arrogantly and foolishly pursued. It may work against the minnows, sometimes barely, but not against the big guns,who always punish us in the same way. Wenger for all his impressive genius,is a very stubborn man.HE is admired as talent digger, but is he all the way?, not really, and how much can you get on the cheap, for a while we thought he really has no money, but that is evidently not true. There is a willfulness of conviction verging on Hybris. no other words to describe the desperate state he leads this club &#8216;Footbalistically&#8221; even if not financially&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe we should rent out our big fancy stadium to the chavs/mancs/whoever.  Think about it, we could make more money that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe we should rent out our big fancy stadium to the chavs/mancs/whoever.  Think about it, we could make more money that way.</p>
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		<title>By: peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certain supporters are excusing this loss saying we &#039;were tactically poor&#039;, thanks for the humour, yeah we lost tactically the moment we took to the pitch.  We&#039;re a top four side, anything more is a pipe dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certain supporters are excusing this loss saying we &#8216;were tactically poor&#8217;, thanks for the humour, yeah we lost tactically the moment we took to the pitch.  We&#8217;re a top four side, anything more is a pipe dream.</p>
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		<title>By: Robespiere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robespiere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Worse: The Emirates became the &#039;big 2&#039; Theater of Dreams</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worse: The Emirates became the &#8216;big 2&#8242; Theater of Dreams</p>
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