Comments on: Final word on the Ramsey incident – the press are missing the point http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2010/03/06/final-word-on-ramsey/ Arsenal News and Views - An Arsenal Blog Tue, 07 Feb 2012 10:12:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: timao http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2010/03/06/final-word-on-ramsey/#comment-33707 timao Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:06:14 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=1171#comment-33707 good point and well put. shawcross is an incompetent twat - the fact he has a sniff of the england squad tells you all you need to know about our chances in SA good point and well put. shawcross is an incompetent twat – the fact he has a sniff of the england squad tells you all you need to know about our chances in SA

]]> By: larsporsenna http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2010/03/06/final-word-on-ramsey/#comment-33706 larsporsenna Sat, 06 Mar 2010 18:12:30 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=1171#comment-33706 another point to consider is that because of the emphasise on the physical over the technical England invariably lose out in the finals of major tournaments. another point to consider is that because of the emphasise on the physical over the technical England invariably lose out in the finals of major tournaments.

]]> By: Baldy http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2010/03/06/final-word-on-ramsey/#comment-33703 Baldy Sat, 06 Mar 2010 16:13:27 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=1171#comment-33703 Well said mate. Further to your point about bad tackles that Gallas, Vieira & Lauren used to put in, can you tell me how many legs were broken as a result of their challenges? My point exactly. Whilst Shawcross did not have any intent to injure, the point is he did. The difference between a hard tackle that Vieira used to make & the tackle that Shawcross made wasn't the commitment, or the intent, but the execution. I'm not asking for Shawcross's testicles on a plate, merely that he looks at how he executes tackles to ensure that in future his obvious commitment & passion is rewarded with a clean ball-winning tackle, not a dirty career-threatening one. Well said mate.

Further to your point about bad tackles that Gallas, Vieira & Lauren used to put in, can you tell me how many legs were broken as a result of their challenges?

My point exactly. Whilst Shawcross did not have any intent to injure, the point is he did. The difference between a hard tackle that Vieira used to make & the tackle that Shawcross made wasn’t the commitment, or the intent, but the execution.

I’m not asking for Shawcross’s testicles on a plate, merely that he looks at how he executes tackles to ensure that in future his obvious commitment & passion is rewarded with a clean ball-winning tackle, not a dirty career-threatening one.

]]> By: GOONER4LIFE http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2010/03/06/final-word-on-ramsey/#comment-33702 GOONER4LIFE Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:58:43 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=1171#comment-33702 GOOD WILL ALWAYS SHINE IN THE END... JUST A SHAME THAT PEOPLE LIKE RAMSEY MUST BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A SICK MONEY WAR (IT'S ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY)(ALWAYS). I LOVE FOOTBALL & PEOPLE I KNOW LOVE FOOTBALL AND ALL MY FRIENDS EVEN THEM OF THE MAN U SCUM LOVE THE WAY ARSENAL PLAY. (THE RIGHT WAY) THEY WILL ALL SOON BE WORRIED WHEN WE WIN THE LEAGUE, EVEN MORE SO IF WE WON CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. I LOVE ALL MY REAL ARSENAL FAMILY, STAY STRONG, STAY TOGETHER. VERY GOOD POST!!!!!! GOOD WILL ALWAYS SHINE IN THE END…
JUST A SHAME THAT PEOPLE LIKE RAMSEY MUST BE IN THE MIDDLE OF A SICK MONEY WAR (IT’S ALWAYS ABOUT THE MONEY)(ALWAYS).

I LOVE FOOTBALL & PEOPLE I KNOW LOVE FOOTBALL AND ALL MY FRIENDS EVEN THEM OF THE MAN U SCUM LOVE THE WAY ARSENAL PLAY.

(THE RIGHT WAY)

THEY WILL ALL SOON BE WORRIED WHEN WE WIN THE LEAGUE, EVEN MORE SO IF WE WON CHAMPIONS LEAGUE.

I LOVE ALL MY REAL ARSENAL FAMILY, STAY STRONG, STAY TOGETHER.

VERY GOOD POST!!!!!!

]]> By: GunnerX http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2010/03/06/final-word-on-ramsey/#comment-33701 GunnerX Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:16:58 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=1171#comment-33701 Well put mate! The stuff that has been said about that tackle by that bunch of cunts really has put me off the game that I love. Well put mate! The stuff that has been said about that tackle by that bunch of cunts really has put me off the game that I love.

]]> By: Joel http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2010/03/06/final-word-on-ramsey/#comment-33700 Joel Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:09:15 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=1171#comment-33700 What's also the point is that you cannot even question the culture of the game. People who like the rough and spirited nature of the game should be calling for ways to perpetuate it without destroying careers. They are not. Two nits, however: 1. Shawcross being a serial injurer is definitely a serious point by itself. His unchanging recklessness is a danger to the game. Arsenal are going to lose a lot of money from his negligence and indifference, or should I say the negligence of his club for not taking steps to curb his worst qualities. Number 2. Wenger was not emotional -- he had every right to be, and he was not. What he was was scornful of the reaction which was predictable and which happened. What’s also the point is that you cannot even question the culture of the game. People who like the rough and spirited nature of the game should be calling for ways to perpetuate it without destroying careers. They are not.

Two nits, however: 1. Shawcross being a serial injurer is definitely a serious point by itself. His unchanging recklessness is a danger to the game. Arsenal are going to lose a lot of money from his negligence and indifference, or should I say the negligence of his club for not taking steps to curb his worst qualities.

Number 2. Wenger was not emotional — he had every right to be, and he was not. What he was was scornful of the reaction which was predictable and which happened.

]]> By: rafi http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2010/03/06/final-word-on-ramsey/#comment-33699 rafi Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:02:13 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=1171#comment-33699 The problem here is that the FA is taking a populist and political position by going with the media crowd instead of ensuring its refs go by the rules. it's as clear as day that arsenal are being victimised by the media, while the FA turns a blind eye. How else do you explain the fact that while during the vieira era the manager was constantly reminded of his responsibilities as red cards mounted, he has rectified that side of arsenal's game, now he is being condemned for developing a team of 'softies?' OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING? The problem here is that the FA is taking a populist and political position by going with the media crowd instead of ensuring its refs go by the rules. it’s as clear as day that arsenal are being victimised by the media, while the FA turns a blind eye. How else do you explain the fact that while during the vieira era the manager was constantly reminded of his responsibilities as red cards mounted, he has rectified that side of arsenal’s game, now he is being condemned for developing a team of ‘softies?’ OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING?

]]> By: anon http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2010/03/06/final-word-on-ramsey/#comment-33698 anon Sat, 06 Mar 2010 14:01:38 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=1171#comment-33698 " So why do 90% of those paid to analyse the game miss what is the real story here?" because they are paid to give the general morons of the public an opinion, the fools (and there are many in britian) who get their minds conditioned on many matters and not just on football. if these bought and paid for pundits go against the party line then they are cut off. no more money. the bbc and sky have an agenda, they have blood and broken bones on their hands and there is nothing we can do about it. welcome to the fucked up world of 2010. ” So why do 90% of those paid to analyse the game miss what is the real story here?”

because they are paid to give the general morons of the public an opinion, the fools (and there are many in britian) who get their minds conditioned on many matters and not just on football. if these bought and paid for pundits go against the party line then they are cut off. no more money. the bbc and sky have an agenda, they have blood and broken bones on their hands and there is nothing we can do about it. welcome to the fucked up world of 2010.

]]> By: RambotoRocky http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2010/03/06/final-word-on-ramsey/#comment-33697 RambotoRocky Sat, 06 Mar 2010 13:59:11 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=1171#comment-33697 Exactly. It's been so frustrating hearing people talk about intent. I think the big problem is that so many of theese ex-players and writers wouldn't have it any other way. They like the rougher tackles and they like the risks involved. When they chase our players out of England they will like that too. Exactly. It’s been so frustrating hearing people talk about intent.

I think the big problem is that so many of theese ex-players and writers wouldn’t have it any other way. They like the rougher tackles and they like the risks involved. When they chase our players out of England they will like that too.

]]> By: neville http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/2010/03/06/final-word-on-ramsey/#comment-33696 neville Sat, 06 Mar 2010 13:57:49 +0000 http://www.thebeautifulgroan.com/?p=1171#comment-33696 Well said. Well said.

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